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snorrem
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: The continuity in Hamilton's films |
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I watched several Lloyd Hamilton silent shorts a couple of months back. I'd only seen one of his films from before (the one directed by Arbuckle) and thought it was pretty amusing. Naturally, having heard all those glamoring words --"Hamilton is the one actor of whom I am jealous," Chaplin, "Hamilton was one of the funniest men in pictures," Keaton, etc.-- my expectations were high. And I have to say, he DID satisfy my expectations; for the most part.
To begin with the positive: Hamilton created an original screen character, unlike anyone else at the time. His humor was often more suitable to adults than children, and that goes for his character, too. A magnificent performer, I love his character. Besides this, all of his solo silent films (of those I've seen) consist of at least one (and usually several) brilliant gags and set-ups. The rather dark atmosphere of his films appeal to me very much as well.
However, there is ONE thing that quite annoys me, and I wonder if I'm the only one who've noticed this: the problem is not with Hamilton himself, but the continuity in his films. Very often there is absolutely no connection between the incidents that occur; one moment he is a tax-gatherer fighting to do his duty, the next his professional position is completely forgotten and he sets off to do something else. His profession is not mentioned once again throughout the film. I know that many comedies tend to become somewhat "episodic"; the talkies of W.C. Fields is one example. But there is always a certain loose thread throughout Fields's films which remind us that it is, after all, a story we are following. In Chaplin's Pay Day, Charlie is at work in the first reel and trying to go to bed without awakening his wife the next, but at the end of the film he is thrown out of the house and goes back to work again. "Work" is the key-word for the film which makes it a complete story.
In Hamilton's case, it seems to me that Lloyd and his gag-men, however brilliant at comedy construction as they were, didn't have that much of insight into story construction. But perhaps the lack of story is part of the whole point, to embrace his films with a flavour of surrealism which is seldom found in other comedies of the time? What do you others think? I'm surprised that apparently no one has brought up the topic before.
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Richard M Roberts
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: The continuity in Hamilton's films |
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| snorrem wrote: | I watched several Lloyd Hamilton silent shorts a couple of months back. I'd only seen one of his films from before (the one directed by Arbuckle) and thought it was pretty amusing. Naturally, having heard all those glamoring words --"Hamilton is the one actor of whom I am jealous," Chaplin, "Hamilton was one of the funniest men in pictures," Keaton, etc.-- my expectations were high. And I have to say, he DID satisfy my expectations; in some ways. In other ways not.
To begin with the positive: Hamilton created an original screen character, unlike anyone else at the time. His humor was often more suitable to adults than children, and that goes for his character, too. An excellent performer. Besides this, all of his independent silent films consist of at least one (and usually several) brilliant gags and set-ups.
However, there is one thing that quite annoys me, and I wonder if I'm the only one who consider it a problem: the continuity in his films. Very often there is absolutely no connection between the incidents that occur; one moment he is a tax-gatherer fighting to do his duty, the next his professional position is completely forgotten and he sets off to do something else. His profession is not mentioned once again throughout the film. I know that many comedies tend to become somewhat "episodic"; the talkies of W.C. Fields is one example. But there is always a certain loose thread throughout Fields's films which remind us that it is, after all, a story we are following. In Chaplin's Pay Day, Charlie is at work in the first reel and trying to go to bed without awakening his wife the next, but at the end of the film he is thrown out of the house and goes back to work again. "Work" is the key-word for the film which makes it a complete story.
In Hamilton's case, it seems to me that Lloyd and his gag-men were brilliant gag-men unfortunately equipped with a very limited talent of story development. But perhaps the lack of story is part of the whole point, to embrace his films with a flavour of surrealism which is seldom found in other comedies of the time? Thing is, it just appears to be a result of insecurity to me. What do you others think? I'm surprised that apparently no one has brought up the topic before. |
Well, Hamilton has several problems with his surviving output. To begin with, the majority of his films from 1920-25, the ones in which he built his poularity and reputation of the time, are currently missing. His late twenties comedies, though they do have some great gags and his performance is fine, are definitely looser in terms of plotting, something not unusual to two-reel comedies at the time. Story development most frequently took a back seat to gag situations, and sometimes I think comedy filmmakers took it as a challenge to see how many diverse gag situations they could string together with some cohesion. No ones trying to examine the meaning of life in two-reel comedies, and the fast and loose attitude towards storytelling can sometimes be exiliarating, especially if the gags are good.
Hamilton was also having problems in his personal life and career in the late twenties. I think he was hurt by the failure of his two feature films, HIS DARKER SELF and A SELF-MADE FAILURE, and I think he continued his two-reel series caring a bit less about their quality. he was also having marital and financial problems, and drinking quite heavily. he also had Norman Taurog as his director and main-writer at the time, who had got a lot of his comedy training from Larry Semon, so go figure the stories are gonna gear-shift pretty often.
I still think the jury's out on Hamilton, and will be until that cache' of pristine 1920-25 Educationals is found in the Yukon and we can see his best work.
RICHARD M ROBERTS |
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Turpinutz

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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: The continuity in Hamilton's films |
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| snorrem wrote: |
To begin with the positive: Hamilton created an original screen character, unlike anyone else at the time. |
Hi Snorrem, not to take anything away from Lloyd Hamilton as he is probably one of my top five favorite silent comedians, see if you can get hold of some of Fred Mace's early Keystones or Biographs. Unfortunately I don't recall the titles, but, there was a lot of Hamilton-style character traits in a few of these films (maybe in a Mace character named "Algy"?).
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snorrem
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: The continuity in Hamilton's films |
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| Turpinutz wrote: | | snorrem wrote: |
To begin with the positive: Hamilton created an original screen character, unlike anyone else at the time. |
Hi Snorrem, not to take anything away from Lloyd Hamilton as he is probably one of my top five favorite silent comedians, see if you can get hold of some of Fred Mace's early Keystones or Biographs. Unfortunately I don't recall the titles, but, there was a lot of Hamilton-style character traits in a few of these films (maybe in a Mace character named "Algy"?).
SteveR |
First—I wrote a reply here several hours ago, but the message somehow got deleted and I became so angry that I couldn’t possibly write another one. Here I’ve tried to write what I intended again, but if I don’t express myself properly you know why.
I’ve seen very little of Fred Mace’s work; his films are, as you know, hard to find, and I don’t even recall if I’ve seen any films in which he has a leading role. But I’m sure you’re right; of course, no comedian (or actor in general) realizes his strenghts and limits without studying the strenghts and limits of other performers first. Also, Mace undeniably resembles Hamilton somewhat in terms of physical appearance. However, I still believe that Hamilton’s character was one of a kind; he was, a tragic and often lifeless man as he appeared to be, fully established at a time when virtually all other major comedians borrowed from Chaplin in this or the other way (which is not a bad thing to do in itself, but it’s impressive that Hamilton’s character succeeded so well without apparently doing it). Besides, keep in mind that Mace, unlike Hamilton, was active at a time when (and at a studio where) the importance of a certain intimacy between performer and public had not yet been discovered; hence it must be assumed that Hamilton was far more conscious of the appearance and potential of his character than Mace was.
About the story continuity again, it is absolutely correct that the quality standards of short subjects, which had increased so remarkably the first few years after WWI, diminished dramatically after the top comedians abandoned the genre in order to make features. Hamilton was certainly not the only one who had to suffer artistically as a result; one can find similar lack of story continuity in some of Charley Chase’s films too, to name one example. However, what astonishes me with Hamilton more than the other clowns is that I’ve noticed a strong abscense of story continuity and logical twist in nearly all of his surviving films (except perhaps The Movies and Move Along), and I’m really not that dainty.
Anyway, all this criticism must not be interpreted to be insults; because as I said, I consider Hamilton a brilliant performer and gag-man. The lack of story does not diminish the sometimes hysterical laughter which his awesome comedy material provokes forth to me. It’s just this heavy lack of continuity in his stories which turns up so frequently that I find a tad ... odd.
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WaverBoy
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: The continuity in Hamilton's films |
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| Richard M Roberts wrote: |
Well, Hamilton has several problems with his surviving output. To begin with, the majority of his films from 1920-25, the ones in which he built his poularity and reputation of the time, are currently missing. His late twenties comedies, though they do have some great gags and his performance is fine, are definitely looser in terms of plotting, something not unusual to two-reel comedies at the time. Story development most frequently took a back seat to gag situations, and sometimes I think comedy filmmakers took it as a challenge to see how many diverse gag situations they could string together with some cohesion. No ones trying to examine the meaning of life in two-reel comedies, and the fast and loose attitude towards storytelling can sometimes be exiliarating, especially if the gags are good.
Hamilton was also having problems in his personal life and career in the late twenties. I think he was hurt by the failure of his two feature films, HIS DARKER SELF and A SELF-MADE FAILURE, and I think he continued his two-reel series caring a bit less about their quality. he was also having marital and financial problems, and drinking quite heavily. he also had Norman Taurog as his director and main-writer at the time, who had got a lot of his comedy training from Larry Semon, so go figure the stories are gonna gear-shift pretty often.
I still think the jury's out on Hamilton, and will be until that cache' of pristine 1920-25 Educationals is found in the Yukon and we can see his best work.
RICHARD M ROBERTS |
Has a list been compiled of Hamilton's surviving films? |
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Salty Dog

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Laughsmith

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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Thought you might get a kick out of the following Lloyd Hamilton ad for Twilight Baby:
Very elaborate! Notice that an Arbuckle comedy is playing as well.
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Laughsmith

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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: Twilight Baby |
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I neglected to mention that the Arbuckle film playing alongside TWILIGHT BABY was THE GARAGE.
-- Paul E. Gierucki |
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WaverBoy
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Good choice for your next release, eh? C'mon Mr. Gierucki, tell us you've got a print of this in your basement...
But seriously folks, a Laughsmith compendium of restored surviving Hamilton films with original music scores would be beyond sublime. I'll I've seen is THE MOVIES and clips from the Slaphappy comp, and I like what I've seen so far. I may just have to knuckle under and get the Looser Than Loose comp. |
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snorrem
Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 703 Location: Norway
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| I just want to say something I've wanted to say for months now (well I didn't find another way to put it): I've really grown to like Ham's films as an entirety, not just his character and gags. Yeah there's a lack of continuity in them but SO WHAT?? The whole point with Ham, as I now see it, is to emphasize his bad luck in all situations; WHATEVER he does it turns out bad, with one catastrophe leading to another one (and probably even worse). |
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